RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK (See also Complete Cue List)
The Concord set is missing 4 minutes, 18 seconds of Raiders of the Lost Ark that keeps it from being the complete score:
- 1m3 Insert (0:09) (listen)
- aka Escape From The Temple (insert)
- Has been bootlegged as "Unused Music"
- 8m2 Marion Into The Pit (0:36) (listen)
- Released on the 1995 DCC LP (included at the end of "The Well Of Souls")
- 8m3 Escaping The Pit (2:05) (listen)
- aka Indy Rides The Statue (Original Version)
- Has been bootlegged as "The Mummy Cave"
- Appeared on an early prototype of the Concord Raiders disc as "Indy Rides The Statue" in high quality
- 8m3 Fix (Alternate) (0:42) (listen)
- aka Indy Rides The Statue (Alternate)
- Has been bootlegged as "Through The Wall (Alternate)"
- The Desert Chase (missing sections) (total about 0:45)
- Released on the 1995 DCC LP & CD
INDIANA JONES AND THE TEMPLE OF DOOM (See also Complete Cue List)
The Concord set is missing about 40 minutes of Temple Of Doom that keeps it from being the complete score:
- 1m2 A Tribute To Vernon (1:30)
- 1m3 Anything Playoff (0:12) (listen)
- 1m6a Once In A Vial (Dance Orchestra) (0:40) (listen)
- 1m7/2m1 Through Chinatown (missing section) (0:08) (listen)
- 2m2 Revised Map Extension (0:38) (listen)
- Is available in "Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures" as "MAP_TEMPLEOFDOOM"
- 2m2a Bar 34 Insert (0:04)
- 2m2b Bar 76 Insert (0:07)
- 2m3b Snowbank Sweetener (0:05)
- Unused in Film
- 2m4 The Indian Village (1:12) (listen)
- 3m1 The Old Priest's Tale (3:21) (listen)
- Unused In Film
- Is available in "Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures" as "TD_PANKOTSECRETS_A_QUI" and "TD_PANKOTSECRETS_B_QUI"
- 3m2 The Child Returns (2:21) (listen)
- 3m2a Alternate Beginning (0:22) (listen)
- 4m3 To Pankot Palace (Insert) (0:28) (listen)
- 4m4? "Palace Source 1" (1:37)
- 5m1 Entrance Of The Boy King (0:25)
- Unused in Film
- 5m1x The Emperor's Entrance (0:35) (listen)
- 5m2 "Palace Source 2" (5:13)
- 5m2a The First Supper (1:03) (listen)
- 5m2b Exchange Of Glances (0:15)
- Unused in Film
- 7m1a Sacrifice Sweetener (4:13) (listen)
- 7m2 More Sacrifice (2:33) (listen)
- 7m1d Percussion Sweetener - One
- 7m1d Percussion Sweetener - One
- 7m1d Percussion Sweetener - One
- 7m4/8m1 Insert (0:09) (listen)
- 8m2 Moloram's Speech (2:39) (listen)
- 8m3 The Evil Potion (2:46) (listen)
- 9m1x Sacrifice Continued (1:15)
- 9m2 Willy In The Fryer (1:35) (listen)
- Mostly Unused in Film
- 11m1 Insert (0:14)
- 11m3"The Rope Bridge" (2:05+) (listen)
- Partially available in "Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures" as "TD_BATTLEONTHEBRIDGE_E_QUI"
- 12m5 End Credits (Missing Section) (0:26) (listen)
- Available on the CD The Indiana Jones Trilogy performed by the Prague Philharmonic
INDIANA JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE (See also Complete Cue List)
The Concord set is missing about 24 minutes of The Last Crusade that keeps it from being the complete score:
- 1m3 "Stealing The Cross" (Circus Organ Sweetener) (0:12) (listen)
- 1m4/2m1x Sweetener (0:05) (listen)
- 2m3/3m1 Sinister Visitors (0:53) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Packet From Dad" or "Package From Dad"
- 3m2a The Holy Grail (1:00) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Inscription On The Rock" or "The Legend Of The Holy Grail"
- 3m4 "Flight To Venice" (Clean Ending)
- 4m1 "X Marks The Spot" (Clean Opening)
- 4m1 "X Marks The Spot" (Insert) (0:06)
- 4m1 "X Marks The Spot" (missing ending) (0:45) (listen)
- 4m2 Beneath The Floors (2:41) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as The Catacombs or "Into The Catacombs"
- 5m3 Intro (0:02)
- 5m3 "Escape From Venice" (Mandolin Sweetener 1) (0:10)
- 5m3 "Escape From Venice" (Mandolin Sweetener 2) (0:08)
- 5m3 "Escape From Venice" (Mandolin Sweetener 3) (0:05)
- 6m2 Discussing The Book (2:06) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Papa Jones" or "The Two Joneses"
- 6m2x New Ending (0:09) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Papa Jones End Tag" or "Don't Call Me Junior"
- 6m3 Alternate Start / 6m3 Unknown Title (1:59) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Elsa's Betrayal" or "Put Down The Gun"
- 6m4 Market Source (1:57) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged as "Iskenderun"
- 7m4/8m1 To Berlin (missing opening) (0:02)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Blasphemy" or "The Road To Berlin"
- 8m2 Koeniggraetzer March (2:55) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged as "Der Koniggratzer"
- 8m2 Koeniggraetzer March (Timpani Overdub) (0:50) (listen)
- 9m2 New Ending (1:43) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Keeping Up With The Joneses (Film Verion)" or "The Birds Of Charlemagne"
- 9m2 Final Ending (0:23) (listen)
- 9m3 Palace Source (1:18) (listen)
- 10m1 Insert 1 (0:14) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Indy Fanfare, Part 1" or Unused Indy Fanfare
- Unused In Film
- 10m1 Insert 2 (0:05) (listen)
- 10m1 Insert 3 (0:20)
- Unused In Film
- 10m1 Insert A
- Unused In Film
- 10m1 Fix Fix For Bar 65 (0:20) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, sometimes as "Indy Fanfare, Part 2"
- 10m3/11m1 Insert 1 (0:08) (listen)
- 10m3/11m1 Insert 2 (0:03) (listen)
- 12m2 The Penitent Man Will Pass (2:51) (listen)
- Has been bootlegged, as "Papa Jones Shot" or "Henry Is Shot"
34 comments:
Updated. Did I miss anything?
This is really a shame that this highly anticipated box set is missing quite a bit of unreleased music from the "Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" scores. Add to it the fact that the "Crystal Skull" CD is nothing more than the same CD that was issued earlier this year.
Furthermore, it's an insult to the "Raiders" and John Williams fans to release the edited version of "Desert Chase" that was originally issued on the 1981 soundtrack, when we clearly have the full unedited version from the 1995 DCC release.
My only question at this point is, what were Laurent Bouzereau and company thinking? It seems nothing more than they just slapped this set together without any serious thought and care. Don't get me wrong, having unreleased music from "Temple of Doom" and "Last Crusade" is good, but there was so much opportunity for something more, that they missed the boat.
After the "Superman" Blue Box, I had been highly anticipating the "Indy" score set. Now I'm not so sure. I only wish that Mike Matessino and/or Nick Redman had been in charge of producing this set. They would have done it right. I'll just wait until I find a used copy through Amazon.
First of all: great work!!! Really appreciated!
There are actually two moments in "The LAst Crusade" that I think you missed:
1.The film version of the meetinng with Adolf H. (was a rearrangement of "Der Konigratzer"? Not sure...)
2.The film version ending of Keeping up with the Joneses (Film VErsion). There we hear the Raiders March motiv instead of the Indy/Henry theme. Right?
some instrumentation from escape from venice is missing that was used in the film and has never been released on any version of this cue.
just listening to the box set now. Its great, and the sound quality is superb, but I must admit it is frustrating not to have the 'full' scores...and whats the problem with putting the cues in the order they appeared in the movies? very frustrating. I have all the bootlegs so I guess with the help of the excellent listings on this website I'll just have to make my own versions of each films score... having an almost complete Temple soundtrack is great though!
great Work!
you know what the problem is with fanboys? no matter the fact that we have been asking for at least an expanded release of the first three Indy soundtracks and have finally got it, after 27-19 years later, the fanboys still have the nerve to complain about what's been left off. enjoy the release for what it is. it's a wonder concord even released it to such unappriciative people. I love the set and glad that i can finally listen to some of the cues without sound effects or bad quality after waiting all those years.
You know what the problem with fanboys is soundwave? That they are the ones who made these films successful in the first place and have made paramount/williams/lucas/spielberg a ton of money....
Theres no point in releasing a set that isn't the complete score. Should we be grateful for scraps or should we expect not be treated like second class consumers? You tell me.
I'll take second class consumer in exchange for the original, very much incomplete soundtracks we had for years. Enjoy the release for what it is. I've wanted a set like this as much as the next guy and, while a complete release for all of it would have been nice, I'm completely content.
Besides, put yourself in their position, business is business. We see the Indy films as treasures, Spielberg and Co. see the films as their artwork and job so it's a product and to always give everyone the whole complete product (.i.e. Complete scores on CD) right off the bat is, lets face it, not very good business because it limits the opportunity to revisit the products and make more money. Call it what you want- double dipping, milking it or whatever, but it's good business on the production side. The consumer doesn't have to buy it, though.
Of course they are holding back so they have something to release to market the product again later on. That's pretty much standard practice. Release an abbreviated soundtrack when the movie is released, then release an expanded edition on an anniversary date, then release complete scores through limited pressings i.e. Film Score Monthly. You better believe Lucasfilm will revisit them again, the question is do we have to wait another 25 years for them. Some of us will either be too old, hard of hearing, or dead. Why not just release them so we still have some years to enjoy them?
Remember, the Str Wars Anthology soundtracks came out in 1993 i think, which weren't complete but expanded from the original soundtracks, and then in 1997 all three soundtracks were rereleased and pretty much complete. so, it won't be another 25 years. I'd say until the next film comes out, whcih seems to be in the works.
Great, we have to sit through another crappy Indy sequel just so we can get complete versions of the scores and the canceled wave of Raiders figures from Hasbro. Thanks George.
You could add "A Tribute to Vernon." lol :)
Fair enough soundwave... I take your point. I suppose our/my experience of the films is very much linked to the way the music is used in the final cut, rather than the way it was recorded in the studio, so personally (and I accept not everyone will agree) I'd like the soundtracks released with the cues cut together and in the chronological order they appeared in the movies - but I suppose that may not actually be technically possible with the original tapes as they stand...
Moritz: yes, it's a timpani overdub that plays along with "Der Koniggratzer" in the film. And I missed the film version ending of "Keeping Up..." last time around, thanks for pointing it out!
Christopher Barry: All set!
airmanjerm: All set!
soundwave: I assume you're the same soundwave that PM'd me in the message board asking for copies of the unreleased music? A little hypocritical, don't you think?
Jason LeBlanc, yor assumption is correct. However, a PM is a personal message and I don't really appriciate you broadcasting what I asked you in private over these message boards. And, no, I really don't see that as hypocritical because I like the release because it has more music clean and in good quality then we've had for years, but that doesn't mean I want to edit all together for a complete release. Besides, if you look back a couple posts of mine, you'll see that I did say that it would have been nice to have a complete release.
Um, I just compared my DCC Well of the Souls (track 11, not 12) with the Concord Well of the Souls and they're precisely the same. What's this about the last 30 seconds of the DCC Well of the Souls having 30 seconds of music not on the Concord album? Is there a typo somewhere? Thanks for your help in advance.
If you were to look closely, Crippled Avenger, you would see that it lists the "DCC LP", not the CD. I hope that answers your question.
-Nick Parker
I don't have 'Lego Indiana Jones' yet, but I am interested in getting some of these unreleased cues off of it. Could someone explain to me how to access it and derive it?
Just got the set new for 33.00 at tower.com. good price compared to the rest but I still want to get more of the music!!
Can you guys email me on where to get these bootlegs?
gdekela@gmail.com
www.myspace.com/ilmer2
Just want to say a big thanks for posting the MP3s on this page - much appreciated...
Finale and End Credits from "The Temple of Doom". So we all know about the missing 26 seconds right?
Sorry Jason, you missed out on the opening... I was relly annoyed when I played the 5th CD and found out that the orchestral murmer at the begining was not included! WHY???
Superman, I am not sure I know what you are referring to...
Here is what John Takis wrote back in 2001... In his complete score analysis, when analysing the last track Finale and End Credits, here is what he wrote, but remember, I'm only talking about the orchestral murmur at the start, that should have appeared on disc 5. Watch the movie again – I expected you to know.
Finale and End Credits (8:51) The film version of this cue differs significantly from the album version. It begins with an expectant orchestral murmur as the group watches and waits for Indy to appear. He does so, the last of the Sankara stones clutched in his hand. The film segues to the trio's return to the native village, as the music segues into a formal presentation of Indy?s theme. As the "B" section of the march begins, the crowd of freed children follows on their heels, rushing to joyous reunions with their families. The cheering crowd surrounds our heroes.
A warm refrain of the children's theme is woven in as Indy presents the shaman with the last Sankara stone. This is followed by a tender statement of the love theme, as Willie comments on his generosity: he could have kept the stone; gotten his fortune and glory. "It'd just end up collecting dust in some museum," Indy reasons (a wry reference to the ending of the first film.) Their short verbal interplay leads to a romantic kiss, and the main theme wells up to lead us into the end credits.
The credits begin with a presentation of the Raiders march which has Short Round's theme intermixed. Secondly, the music cuts to an arrangement of material from "Slave Children's Crusade" and "Short Round's Theme." This is followed by a formal presentation of the love theme, and the credits wrap up with a final reprise of the Raiders march. The album version of this sequence includes the same themes, but placed in a different order and arrangement.
The "orchestral murmur" you are talking about is on the set at the end of the track "The Broken Bridge / British Relief"
Thanks Jason, I actually popped the DVD in, and checked it out myself, the ‘Raiders Chords’ begin on 4:34 of ‘British Relief’. Well I’m certainly relieved! Still, a pity that we are missing the 26 seconds.
On the 4:34 mark of ‘British Relief’, you can here the chord that I think Williams actually intended to be synchronized with the March!
You could have mentioned that to me earlier though!
Thanks My Good Friend!
There is some extra unreleased music right after Indy and Willie fall into the car while they have an exchange with Short Round.
Also, what is that music playing while Marion is climbing from the snake room to the corpse room? Is that the beginning of the Escaping the Pit cue?
“Theres no point in releasing a set that isn't the complete score. Should we be grateful for scraps or should we expect not be treated like second class consumers?”
Strange statement. I missed the OST releases and have been desperately waiting for seven or eight years for an official re-release. I’d say what we have in stores right now is a MUCH better offer than illegal bootlegs or insanely priced used CDs at Ebay or Amazon-Marketplace. I’d have bought factory sealed original releases with much appreciation and without a complaint if only they’d been available!
Maybe I am stupid or not a real fan - but I am really grateful for the ‘scraps’ and feel rather first class each time I listen to those great (and for me) highly anticipated CDs.
I’d also like to say a big ‘thank you’ to the creators of this page. The information provided here – especially the soundtrack analysis and chronological order - made me appreciate the music even more.
Cheers,
GP
this is awesome! expecially the "Vogel Pop-Up" portion of The Tank Fight however, when is KOTCS coming?
I have the game Lego Indiana Jones: The Original Adventures.
I found the 3 tracks you make mention on the list for missing tracks of Temple of Doom :
- TD_BATTLEONTHEBRIDGE_E_QUI
- TD_PANKOTSECRETS_A_QUI
- MAP_TEMPLEOFDOOM
But when I want to read them with a player, they are not recognized as .OGG file and no sound is played, although they are named as .OGG. I tried many players, but nothing !
When I unzipped them with Winrar, 2 files constitute the OGG .file : an audio.cfg and a music.cfg
So, may you give me help to read and listen to those soundtracks? How could you open and listen to them?
Help would be really appreciated.
Thanks
I would very much like it if someone could provide links or files for the last few remaining 'Last Crusade' tracks I do not have. Obviously, someone here has the tracks, and could zip those bad boys up and email them over.
Thanks,
Ted
tebower@gmail.com
I love this article, thanks for posting it!
It is disappointing that music is still missing, but the Concord release did provide A LOT of key missing songs like "Uncovering The Ark" or "Father's Study".
Not to mention providing an awesome release for Temple of Doom (though incomplete). I had the difficult-to-obtain Japanese Import but for years even that wasn't available.
So I'm satisfied... for now...
Well, some cues are lost in the releases of the Score from Raiders to Crystal Skull... ESCAPING FROM THE TEMPLE with the Film Version composition but the most important from the four films is the Film Version of RETURN TO THE VILLAGE_RAIDERS MARCH (T. OF DOOM) (9:32 COMPLETE with the 30 Sec Insert and 8:42 FILM VERSION), with the missing 30 sec of Raiders in the beginning of the credits, the speed of the Final Kiss scene before the credits appears, the cut of some flutes and speed in some drums... Even with the several software of Vocal Remover it`s impossible to get...
Sorry for posting with the Anonymous option... The missing section extracted from the DVD is impossible, it generates a lot of Popups on the Missing flutes sections and drums... the Speed changes depending of the Language you hear the Credits, in the Remastered Spanish Ver. the drums have more sound but in the Spanish DVD normal release it contains a Speed change... I'm waiting for the day that FILM VERSION get released... Good night
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